The complete twitter stream from the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling workshop, with many thanks to Trevor Muñoz for harvesting it. The complete stream in XML is also available for download.

2012-03-16, 21:38rotula (Clemens Radl)

@julia_flanders I've been silently following #kodm and also occasionally viewed the live stream. Thanks for this excellent service!

2012-03-16, 21:04Walisisch (Walisisch)

RT @trevormunoz: Afternoon session at #kodm begins. Fotis Jannidis discussing "Digital literary history and its discontent" http://t.co/V5AS15MG

2012-03-16, 21:03Walisisch (Walisisch)

RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: "Doing humanities with computers is playing humanities for keeps" #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:50sheilaMorr (Sheila Morrissey)

RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: It is necessary to treat modeling as more than a technical topic. But it unavoidably a technical topic. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:50sheilaMorr (Sheila Morrissey)

RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: computers force us to think harder about the objects of our discourse. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:35elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm end of a tour de force by Michael Sperberg McQueen. No questions possible. all done

2012-03-16, 20:33hcayless (Hugh Cayless)

@trevormunoz +100. E.g. one of the thorniest issues we dealt with was how to model abbreviations in EpiDoc #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:32trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ appears to be starting in on his promised "farrago of quotations", heading toward the end of #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:30trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: Humanists often have incomplete information and modeling incomplete information is hard. #kodm [What do the epigraphers think?]

2012-03-16, 20:30elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq radical reduction, simplified abstractions, is useful. Stripping out nuance, which irritates humanists, can be informative

2012-03-16, 20:23epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Don't trust anybody talking about intellectual implications of models if they don't build models by themselves #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:22jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq never trust someone who talks about the intellectual implications of models if he hasn't build models himself.//Amen!

2012-03-16, 20:22thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Aaaawwww ... I want to hear that complaint about RDF. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:22trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: It is necessary to treat modeling as more than a technical topic. But it unavoidably a technical topic. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:22elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq never trust someone who talks about the intellectual implications of models if he hasn't build models himself.

2012-03-16, 20:20ryanfb (Ryan Baumann)

@sramsay For all the Wittgenstein that's come up during #kodm, I've wondered if it couldn't do with more Popper… (anti-Aristotelian enough?)

2012-03-16, 20:20trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

RT @sramsay: Can you be a neopragmatist, deleuzian, heraclitean, wittgenstein head, and still be a digital humanist? #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:18jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MSMQ: You don't want to restrict a standard to the people who already know what it means. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:17elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq if we don't have formalized models, we can't be rigorous about testing or communicating

2012-03-16, 20:17thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

MSMQ: "We want our models to be ways in which we can disagree with each other". #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:13sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

be an Aristotelian. Because I'm really, really not. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:13trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: the more formal we can make our models, the easier it is to put them to test & advance our understanding of thing being modeled #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:13thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

MSMQ: The more formal the model the better: the more testable, the more consequential. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:12sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

You know, we ask if you have to know how to program to be a digital humanist, but this conference is making me ask if you have to + #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MSMQ: Doing Digital Humanities is doing Humanities for keeps. Because you can see the implications of your assumptions. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:10thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

MSMQ: Reification as the key stage in making explicit our assumptions and clarifying our understanding. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:10trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: "Doing humanities with computers is playing humanities for keeps" #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:09trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Reflecting on @sramsay 's talk, question lingers about where on the slope between data model & processing model this forcing occurs #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:08trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: computers force us to think harder about the objects of our discourse. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:06jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MSMQ: Tag abuse is lying to the processor. Becomes a real problem when you change processors. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:06trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ on overlap prob—how you feel re: still talking abt it says where you fall on divide btwn utilitarian models & theoretic modeling #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:05jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MSMQ: Humanists traditionally didn't worry about utilitarian modeling because we didn't build things. But now we have that capability #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:05elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq overlap problme around for 30 years, but @allenrenear says it remains in play because tit is THE problem, nothing beyond it

2012-03-16, 20:00triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

RT @jean_bauer: MSMQ: Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions about our premises. #kodm

2012-03-16, 20:00thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the premises for our work.

2012-03-16, 19:58epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the premises for our work.

2012-03-16, 19:57thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

MSMQ: Modelling as a means of clarifying our thinking about the modelled domain. Alleluia! #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:56jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MSMQ: Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions about our premises. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:56epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: "Modeling is a way for us to make explicit the premises for our work" #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:56trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MSMQ: "Modeling is a way for us to make explicit the premises for our work" #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:55elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the premises for our work.

2012-03-16, 19:54sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

Hadn't realized that Nancy Ide had chimed in on the "Should humanists learn to program" question back in the day. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:54elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm models are also intellectual constructs in their own right.

2012-03-16, 19:52trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq main reason we model in dh is in order to build tools and systems.

2012-03-16, 19:51elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm tension between customization/standardization: the latter has advantages for community, the former better for individual purposes.

2012-03-16, 19:50jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

#kodm MSMQ: One the most important roles of models in DH is to *build* systems and tools.

2012-03-16, 19:49elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq main reason we model in dh is in order to build tools and system.

2012-03-16, 19:46trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Best definition of modeling that MSMQ has seen is that by Minsky quoted in Willard McCarty's companion essay: http://t.co/v2Pzaciy #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:45elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq thanks organizers because they didn't begin conference with panel discussion defining "modeling".

2012-03-16, 19:44jgsmith (James Smith)

@julia_flanders I'm listening in to #kodm - awesome talks and discussion

2012-03-16, 19:42KevinSHawkins (Kevin Hawkins)

@julia_flanders I've been silently following along! Wish I had been there. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:38julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

shout-out to those who followed #kodm with thanks for listening--any silent followers pls send me msg/mail? counting heads for grant report

2012-03-16, 19:37elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm msmq using carpet as a text, problems of transcribing the 2D vs spoken text(=1D). NB the carpet is covered w/ letters

2012-03-16, 19:34elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Michael Sperberg McQueen closing keynote.

2012-03-16, 19:30trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

#kodm will now be treated to a Michael Sperberg-McQueen closing keynote. Hurrah!

2012-03-16, 19:22nmhouston (Natalie M. Houston)

@sramsay 's remark, "Every data model is asymptotically approaching a processing model," could usefully be extended to (+) #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:17Ted_Underwood (Ted Underwood)

Sounds a bit like object-oriented versus functional data modeling? #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:15thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Network flakiness on my end makes me think I'm missing some great questions. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:12karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Fabulous talk by @sramsay at #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:11elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @julia_flanders: ODD reflects changing view of the text. @sramsay replies that ODD reflects changing abilities to process the text

2012-03-16, 19:08hcayless (Hugh Cayless)

@sramsay makes the point that Lisp's downfall as a modeling language is that Lisp can do everything—there's no call to go outside it. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:01karikraus (Kari Kraus)

RT @elli_m: #kodm hah - @ramsay the more power the processor has, the less power inheres in the modeler.

2012-03-16, 19:01thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Ramsay: Limiting commitments in the model retains flexibility but limits its semantic expressivity and power. #kodm

2012-03-16, 19:01elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm hah - @ramsay the more power the processor has, the less power inheres in the modeler.

2012-03-16, 19:00elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm question may not be "are the semantics in our models adequate?" but "are they located in the right place?"

2012-03-16, 18:59trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay "Every data model is asymptotically approaching a processing model" #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:58thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Ramsay: XML ecosystem decouples data-modelling from processing; Lisp unites these two aspects. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:56elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @sramsay so xml differs from s expressions in where the semantics lies (xml->schema) (s expression->lisp)

2012-03-16, 18:55karikraus (Kari Kraus)

@sramsay rehearsing flame war on s-expressions vs XML to explore what "semantics," well, *means*. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:55thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Ramsay: XSLT and Lisp-family languages united in that they're both homoiconic. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:55elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm xml has a semantics iff you have a way to turn it into something else. ie a schema and a language to process it with.

2012-03-16, 18:54trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay: "I've read this entire flame-war so you don't have to" #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:52trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay Wittgenstein's idea of use in context gives us an interesting way of talking about computation #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:50elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm may be easier to wait for @sramsay to post his talk, which he usually does. It's both a text and a performance

2012-03-16, 18:48elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @sramsay "Do you want your xml document to end with 75 close parentheses?)

2012-03-16, 18:47thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Ramsay: XML and s-expressions are entirely isomorphic. To some extent the debate is thus about syntax #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:46trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

S-expressions are another notation for describing tree structures #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:45trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

"Should the syntax of XML have been scrapped in favor of s-expressions?" @sramsay trying to use debate on topic without restarting it #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:45thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

I *want* that Parental Advisory label. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:44jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@sramsay starting his talk "Where Semantics Lies" http://t.co/z7fvP4c4 #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:42trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

cc: @Ted_Underwood RT @trevormunoz: .@sramsay is next: "Where Semantics Lies" http://t.co/ofIEU2n1 Sounds fascinating. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:41trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay is next: "Where Semantics Lies" http://t.co/ofIEU2n1 Sounds fascinating. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:36jtheibault (John Theibault)

Some days there's just too much to process. @melissaterras's talk, #kodm, #ahcn http://t.co/LjLoTfjZ Bluefin labs http://t.co/8lOwj1sx

2012-03-16, 18:34karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Teich suggests plugging right tools together to create pipelines is part of what is creative abt computational linguistic research #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:32thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Teich: Multiplicity of models and corpora increases importance of compatibility amongst them. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:30thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Teich questions whether an 'overarching' model for linguistics exists/is desirable. Similarly, no ideal corpus possible/desirable #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:28karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Based on Teich's auto-classification techniques, computational linguistics "closer" to linguistics than CS, its two seed disciplines #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:22thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

E Teich: Another indicator - we [verb] #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:18thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Teich: Pattern used for detection of evaluative statements - 'It is [adjective] to' or 'It is [adjective] that'. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:15karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Teich studies contact disciplines like bioinformatics (biology + CS) to see how similar/different they are to their seed disciplines #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:13thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

E Teich: Analysis of everything from structural to syntactic features of texts. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:11jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Would be very interested in seeing Teich apply this to DH discourse. Or are there too many disciplines involved for it to work? #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:11thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

E Teich: investigating whether interdisciplinary emerging fields give rise to registers distinct from foundational fields. #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Teich looks at linguistic properties of "contact disciplines" ex. bioinformatics (CS and Biology) How they compare to seed disciplines #kodm

2012-03-16, 18:04thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Uniting focus of literary scholars, linguists is 'semiotic artifacts'. Distinction between 'referent/thought' focus and 'symbol focus' #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:58karikraus (Kari Kraus)

E Teich mentions the shock that accompanied the transition from rule-based to statistically oriented models in linguistics ~15 yrs ago #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:57jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Teich admits to being wary of using the term "data model" after these three days. I completely sympathize! #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:56jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Elke Teich starting "Analyzing Linguistic Variation: From corpus query towards feature discovery" http://t.co/6rdtHfTe #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:56thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Outlines shift from a symbol/rule-based approach to computational linguistics to a statistical approach. #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:54trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Next: Elke Teich "Analyzing linguistic variation: From corpus query towards feature discovery”—A linguist perspective #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:54thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Elke Teich on “Analyzing linguistic variation: From corpus query towards feature discovery” #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:51trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@gradmans asks: if we're interested in ambiguity & vagueness—natural language is the best vehicle; why use anything else? #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:48christof77 (Christof Schöch)

RT @jean_bauer: F. Jannidis "Influence is a bad metaphor…" Goethe "selected" Rousseau as model of sensibility #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:44jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@AllenRenear: we should make a distinction between metaphors and vague language. Vagueness is precisely defined, though hard to model #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:35karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Jannidis: should we distinguish between data models & intellectual models? Q emerges thru a critique of influence in literary history. #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:27jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Fotis Jannidis "Influence is a bad metaphor. Think about selection instead." Ex. Goethe selected Rousseau as a model of sensibility #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:27elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Jannidis: how to model influence - vague statements like "one work originates in intellectual climate of a predecessor's reception"

2012-03-16, 17:25jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Fotis Jannidis on how to model influence in literary history #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:24karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Fotis Jannidis thinking through the ontology of literary history: patterns (present, imposed, or absent) & basic units #kodm

2012-03-16, 17:24elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Jannidis: similar phenomenon iiterary history exemplfiied by David Wellbery.

2012-03-16, 17:22elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Fotis Jannidis - starts on Digital Literary History by introducing two challenges to writing of history (Lyotard, Hayden White)

2012-03-16, 17:20trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Afternoon session at #kodm begins. Fotis Jannidis discussing "Digital literary history and its discontent" http://t.co/V5AS15MG

2012-03-16, 17:11jtheibault (John Theibault)

RT @trevormunoz: "Data modeling for early modern emblems" http://t.co/yjeoZ5rF #kodm / Mara Wade will demo at FNI http://t.co/l1bpC3ti

2012-03-16, 16:09Infomnivore (Rob Hilliker)

RT @trevormunoz: The Person Data Repository: http://t.co/EqQSxGWk #kodm

2012-03-16, 16:01trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Czmiel: The person object holds identifiers (can be from mult. schemes); the aspect object holds info about the person taken from src #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:56trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The Person Data Repository: http://t.co/EqQSxGWk #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:55trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Three different types of objects in the person data repository: persons, aspects, references. #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:53julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

fascinating questions raised by Thomas Stäcker's emblem presentation, concerning how we identify 'identical' images #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:46thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Alexander Czmiel discussing “The Person Data Repository”at "Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities" #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:46rwness (Robin W. Ness)

browsing the beautiful emblems from Vaenius's Amoris divini emblemata (Love in Art) (1615) #kodm http://t.co/36eovpzq

2012-03-16, 15:32rwness (Robin W. Ness)

http://t.co/YI0poFcC Emblematica online Emblem book Digitization, German Emblem Book Databases, the OpenEmblem Portal #kodm Thomas Stäcker

2012-03-16, 15:25cneudecker (Clemens Neudecker)

Follow “Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities” workshop via #kodm http://t.co/PxEVr4Ru

2012-03-16, 15:23brodieaustin (Brodie Austin)

RT @karikraus: .@knoxdw talking about modeling administrative changes over time, drawing on the Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:23Ajprescott (Andrew Prescott)

RT @trevormunoz: Thomas Stäcker describing "Data modeling for early modern emblems" http://t.co/HvBChnuQ #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:18karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Thomas Stäcker discussing modeling problems for early modern emblems: develop an in-house schema or adopt a standard such as TEI? #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:11trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Thomas Stäcker describing "Data modeling for early modern emblems" http://t.co/HvBChnuQ #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:09trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The boundaries of Native American territories are not formally represented in the Atlas data, but at the same time very present in it #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:06trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

@thillzilla Sounds like it might be the fan for the video equipment itself (which is sitting a few feet in front of the camera) #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:04thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Background noise got much better when camera panned ... #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:04trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@knoxdw Need ask not only what is the thing that changes but also what is the thing that changes because of our modeling it. #kodm

2012-03-16, 15:03thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

High level of background noise on video stream. Air-conditioning? :-( #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:58trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Talking abt modeling change—an important hard problem—in terms of the two main streams here: pragmatic modeling & theoretic modeling #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:55rwness (Robin W. Ness)

@knowdw #kodm "a census both creates the image and provides the mirror of that image for a nation's self reflection" -Hochschild & Powell

2012-03-16, 14:51jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw Need to build time into our models, but also a way to assert continued identity so that we can actually model *change* #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:51trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@knoxdw describing the challenge of reliably pointing to something that is changing over time (like a county) #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:50sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

. @knoxdw is showing us why we need a robust model of state and identity #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:49jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw Pros and cons of normalizing the dataset, lots of idiosyncrasies that might be lost if they removed built in redundancies #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:47jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw research into county boundaries starts with text -- the laws that create the counties as Performance Speech -- not maps. #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:47jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw Boundaries make a difference because identity makes a difference -- if we are invested in a county then its changes matter #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:46trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@knoxdw describing fascinating process used by those working on compiling Atlas to translate from legislative speech acts to map data #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:46jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw We can't just pretend that the earlier (legislative mistakes) didn't exist. We need a metamodel that handles those mistakes #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:46rwness (Robin W. Ness)

Visualizing county boundary changes over time. ..appears that tracing paper is still useful . @knoxdw #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:45karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@knoxdw talking about modeling administrative changes over time, drawing on the Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:42trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@knoxdw when talking about political boundaries like counties there is no thing until legislators model it #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:41jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@DougKnox research into county boundaries starts with text -- the laws that create the counties as Performance Speech -- not maps. #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:40julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

.@knoxdw observing the complexities of modeling space and time given shifting identities and boundaries of spatial units #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:38jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@DougKnox Boundaries make a difference because identity makes a difference -- if we are invested in a county then its changes matter #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:36jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@dougknox starting his talk "What is the Thing that Changes" http://t.co/4Ew46rym w/ the first question "How hard can it be?" :) #kodm

2012-03-16, 14:35trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@knoxdw next at #kodm "What is the Thing that Changes: Space & Time through the Atlas of Historical County Boundaries" http://t.co/u5iHuuVP

2012-03-16, 13:55trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The issue of discipline specificity with respect to data modeling has sparked vigorous debate at #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:35karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Susan Schreibman points out that there's an outreach component to what we're talking abt: why shld humanists care about data modeling? #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:32trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

To finish the point from @swanstro: knowledge org. is sthing humanists do all the time. Need help understanding practical applications #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:30trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@swanstro need specific tools/exercises for teaching data modeling. Reminds us humanists are good at abstract category judgements #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:27I_UMD (Maryland's iSchool)

MT @karikraus: Agenda setting on the last day of #kodm: politics, definitions, pedagogy, design, evaluation, competencies ...

2012-03-16, 13:24trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

How do the data generation and modeling activities outside the academic community fit w/ & drive humanities modeling #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:24karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Agenda setting on the last day of #kodm: politics, definitions, pedagogy, design, evaluation, competencies, & more related to data modeling.

2012-03-16, 13:21trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Point about diachronic aspects of models links up with @julia_flanders talk yesterday about looking for historiography of models #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:20trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@karikraus re-emphasizes the importance of attending to the diachronic dimensions of models—e.g. classification systems #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:17trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

More further work: Need for global identification tools (for entities); in context of RDF approaches #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:16trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Now we are adding to the initial list: .@epierazzo raises tension between customization & standardization & relation to tool building #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:11trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

… defining data modeling, competencies and pedagogy, achieving greater precision for key terms (e.g. "text", "document", "model") #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:10trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Fotis laying out topics which seem important for further work: mapping between models, assessment & validation of models, … #kodm +

2012-03-16, 13:08trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Livestream of the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Workshop http://t.co/iWbh53BY #kodm

2012-03-16, 13:07trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Final day of #kodm. @julia_flanders laying out updates to the agenda.

2012-03-16, 03:02trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Added tweets from Day 2 of #kodm https://t.co/EZGkJP4o

2012-03-15, 21:51sheilaMorr (Sheila Morrissey)

RT @karikraus: The expressed need for contradictory markup has come up repeatedly at #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:46aurelberra (Aurélien Berra)

RT @ttasovac: .@sramsay we are divided into those who see the world as nouns and those who see it as verbs #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:45aurelberra (Aurélien Berra)

RT @julia_flanders: Patrick Sahle, really interesting, challenging, and subtle talk on transcription (hard to tweet about) #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:26ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

.@sramsay we are divided into those who see the world as nouns and those who see it as verbs #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:12K1Howard (Katherine Howard)

RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:12K1Howard (Katherine Howard)

RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO #kodm

2012-03-15, 21:02julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

Patrick Sahle, really interesting, challenging, and subtle talk on transcription (hard to tweet about) #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:59epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

objectivity and subjectivity in transcription discussed by Patrick Sahle #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:52mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Downloaded CATMA and started playing around with Ch. 1 of Autobiography of Ben Franklin. Fun. #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:50epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Patrick Sahle: the pluralistic text! Yay!! #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:49ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

@julia_flanders #kodm the mic just fixed. thanks

2012-03-15, 20:48julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

some issues with the podium mike may be affecting virtual audibility; people are working on it #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:27hcayless (Hugh Cayless)

@ttasovac Agreed. There is no "text". There are only readings. #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:23sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

My picture just appeared in Chris Meister's slides. I immediately experienced the unheimlich. #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:22ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

My bone to pick with text-range-based models: assumption that the "raw" text is immaculate and immutable, perfectly transcribed. #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:21mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Fascinating introduction to http://t.co/cfqnQB1y at #kodm livestream. Allows for collaborative markup of texts. Cool.

2012-03-15, 20:21FordhamDH (FordhamDH)

Fascinating introduction to http://t.co/YUgd1N4A at #kodm livestream. Allows for collaborative markup of texts. Cool.

2012-03-15, 20:19jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Interesting discussion of stand-off markup (opposed to inline), allows for overlapping and contradictory tags. Used in CATMA #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:17karikraus (Kari Kraus)

The expressed need for contradictory markup has come up repeatedly at #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:09karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Learning about CATMA: an integrated textual markup and analysis tool. #kodm

2012-03-15, 20:00mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Love that the name tags from #kodm have a font big enough to read via Livestream. Good going!

2012-03-15, 19:51karikraus (Kari Kraus)

RT @knoxdw: .@julia_flanders imagining TEI ODD as a way of modeling something like historiography, scholarly self-consciousness #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:50knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@julia_flanders imagining TEI ODD as a way of modeling something like historiography, scholarly self-consciousness #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:48knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Flanders: TEI ODD makes schemas more clearly contingent, within an ecology, workflow, developmental process, or disciplinary community #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:46knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@julia_flanders: in TEI, schemas can appear (misleadingly) to have a kind of timelessness, rather than place in a processing flow #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:45elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @julia_flanders the schema is used to regulate process - allows you to check for conformance/difference

2012-03-15, 19:38jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@julia_flanders diagram for modeling a document: concentric circles of "document itself""associated information""genre""social ecology"#kodm

2012-03-15, 19:35jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@julia_flanders starting her talk "Modeling Collaboration" http://t.co/hkEGcIL7 #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:35trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@julia_flanders taking the podium to discuss "Modeling Collaboration" http://t.co/IkvB9Ar2 #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:26laurentromary (Laurent Romary)

RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November 7-11, 2012. #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:00dr_heil (jacob heil)

Hosted by @mandellc and @IDHMC_Nexus! MT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November 7-11, 2012. #kodm

2012-03-15, 19:00jgsmith (James Smith)

RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November 7-11, 2012. #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:59radusuciu (Radu Suciu)

RT @knoxdw: Susan Schreibman teaches modeling implicitly by asking students for two different representations, e.g. XML, PowerPoint #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:59Rwelzenb (Rebecca Welzenbach)

RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November 7-11, 2012. #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:55ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

I wish undergrad DH would simply become the new Literae Humaniores #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:53karikraus (Kari Kraus)

RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:51elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Kings College London asking what product of undergraduate DH major would be? professional (web designers?) or little researchers?

2012-03-15, 18:50jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Realizing how lucky I am. First order logic in HS and "Organization of Knowledge" with Herman Sinaiko and Wayne Booth in college. #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:47swanstro (elizabeth swanstrom)

RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:45epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:44jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:32elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Laurent Romary teaches students to know enough about data models and technology in order to "give orders to the computer scientists"

2012-03-15, 18:30knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

MT @sramsay: there's something to be said for "thinking inside a tool." #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:28knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@jean_bauer talks about teaching students how to infer models from using online databases, becoming critical users #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:24elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @julia_flanders asks what is the role for librarians in teaching data modeling.

2012-03-15, 18:24trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@julia_flanders asks what the role might be for librarians/archivists in teaching data modeling. #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:24sramsay (Stephen Ramsay)

But then, there's something to be said for "thinking inside a tool." (says I) #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:21elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Renear doesn't teach dm, he teaches foundations of dm for ex. Logics, BNF. students can learn sql in the workplace better

2012-03-15, 18:21karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear teaches a course called Foundations of Information Modeling: discreet mathematics, relational algebra, & more #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:20jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@AllanRenear is making me want to go back and study relational algebra again, well I already wanted to do that. #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:13elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Photis Jannidis - students who don't have research questions can't model effectively, because models exist from a perspective

2012-03-15, 18:12nmhouston (Natalie M. Houston)

@mandellc thanks for your #kodm tweets -- I can't watch the webcast right now so I'm enjoying your summaries --

2012-03-15, 18:11mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

@swanstro enjoying your comments dig pedagogy at #kodm. for viz, you might also enjoy yaddo data viz demo: http://t.co/ljXPF5m2

2012-03-15, 18:10trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@epierazzo observes constraints of teaching a lot of material in one course can be productive. Have to teach ppl to teach themselves #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:08karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Shld we teach to the tool or higher level concepts? @sramsay: pepper discussion of particular technology with anecdotes about others #kodm

2012-03-15, 18:06mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm @sramsay Same problem in teaching programming: people learn the specific language rather than the principles.

2012-03-15, 18:06mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

@jonippolito Yes - #kodm folks have multiple spelling of your name -- data ambiguity, no?

2012-03-15, 18:02mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Syd Bauman, why not just teach information management, photos eg, before turning to data modeling of texts.

2012-03-15, 18:00elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm what are other aspects-indirection, abstraction-that need to be taught? Fotis Jannidis

2012-03-15, 18:00knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Susan Schreibman teaches modeling implicitly by asking students for two different representations, e.g. XML, PowerPoint #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:59trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

@benwbrum @mandellc Yes, all the videos will be archived and available later. #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:59jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

RT: @sramsay: I suspect Allen Renear teaches the kind of "one level up" modeling Susan Schreibman is calling for. #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:58ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

#kodm YESSSS

2012-03-15, 17:57mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

@julia_flanders Could someone in room at #kodm check audio levels or move mic closer?

2012-03-15, 17:57mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Julia asks should these course be discipline-specific?

2012-03-15, 17:56mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Susan Schreibman re the MA program at UVA (never put into curriculum) -- several courses on knowledge representation

2012-03-15, 17:56elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm so should teach knowledge representation.

2012-03-15, 17:54ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

#kodm still really hard to hear. im pretty sure the mic is not on

2012-03-15, 17:54elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Susan Schreimban suggests that teaching data modeling as a general subject would be useful. Not just via a technology like XML.

2012-03-15, 17:53mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Data Modeling always implicit: no data-modeling course, just specific modes/platforms for modeling (XML, etc.)

2012-03-15, 17:52mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Susan Schreibman will re-tool her intro. courses to ask, "how do you model something?" without telling students about "dm"

2012-03-15, 17:51mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Mic please for livestream! Cannot hear Susan S! #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:50mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm cannot hear

2012-03-15, 17:50ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

#kodm guys please check if this microphone is on

2012-03-15, 17:48ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Elisabeth Burr has a great idea about having students explicitly model their own papers in XML. #datamodeling #pedagogy #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:42jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@epierazzo one trick in teaching -- always have your students model sources they are familiar with #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:40jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@epierazzo talking about how discussing data modeling in her XML classes is when the information "clicks" for her humanities students #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:40ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

#kodm oooops, i meant microphone

2012-03-15, 17:38ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

#kodm mike please

2012-03-15, 17:37mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

@karikraus and so glad you do! great to catch part of your talk yesterday here in full springbreak mode! #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:37dr_heil (jacob heil)

Thanks to chatter by @fredsiegmund @mandellc & @benwbrum, tuning into #kodm Data Modeling and Humanities Pedagogy panel

2012-03-15, 17:35karikraus (Kari Kraus)

@mickimcgee I have a loud mouth for a small person. ;-) #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:35trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

First event of the afternoon: a panel on pedagogy and data modeling #kodm

2012-03-15, 17:32mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

@jonippolito: you are being heavily cited over at #kodm “@rwness: "fixity is death" - John Ippolito."

2012-03-15, 16:53benwbrum (Ben W. Brumfield)

@mandellc Just found out about the webcast -- will there be an archive of @trevormunoz's #kodm talk?

2012-03-15, 16:40mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

That'd be "thanks to @julia_flanders"! #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:39Diplomaticat (Joan Soler Jiménez)

RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:39Diplomaticat (Joan Soler Jiménez)

RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:38mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Love the #kodm livestream - http://t.co/07cwp7uM - thanks again to @juliaflanders!

2012-03-15, 16:38anarchivist (Mark Matienzo)

RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:37anarchivist (Mark Matienzo)

RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:37mandellc (Laura Mandell)

Talk by @trevormunoz at Brown Symposium #kodm changed my whole way of thinking about documents. His "talk" was genuine discussion leading.

2012-03-15, 16:36triproftri (Katherine D. Harris)

@rogerwhitson this would be awesome, but editorial work (as in scholarly editing) is typically marginalized in engl depts #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:36mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Tuned in #kodm & heard @trevormunoz Q&A. Hope next Q&A will have Q's use mic -- heard @karikraus loud and clear, others no so much!

2012-03-15, 16:36brettttt (Brett Barney)

Dropped in on the data modeling webcast @ Brown in time to catch Trevor's talk + QA--*so* wish I were in Providence right now. #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:32rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

RT @mandellc: #kodm very smart comment by @karikraus. Coding is representational, not merely exegetical.

2012-03-15, 16:30mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm very smart comment by Kari Kraus. Coding is representational, not merely exegetical.

2012-03-15, 16:29rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

We need to understand data modeling as a rhetorical act...as is editorial. #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:22pmhswe (Patricia Hswe)

RT @knoxdw: .@trevormunoz is directing us away from disembodied data models, points to the social and programming context #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:21mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm faith that some visualizations, graphings, whatever, will come.

2012-03-15, 16:21mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm the way that data modeling opens up knew forms of scholarship isn't known yet, that we have to do the modeling on the faith

2012-03-15, 16:18rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

MT @knoxdw: .@sramsay asks: why bother with data modeling in TEI if you just want a scholarly conversation about Frankenstein? #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:16knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@sramsay asks skeptically: why bother with data modeling in TEI if you just want a scholarly conversation about Frankenstein? #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:11rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

RT @brownwwp: Remember you can join "data modeling in the humanities" conference live via http://t.co/TFZjVbVN and on twitter #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:11brownwwp (Brown WWP)

Remember you can join "data modeling in the humanities" conference live via http://t.co/Pa3EEO4q and on twitter #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@julia_flanders documenting the data is one of the essential scholarly components of #digitalhumanities #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:10rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz The proof of the pudding is that it's delicious. Int. in projects that have a broad audience. #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:10swanstro (elizabeth swanstrom)

#kodm @julia_flanders asks where the scholarship occurs in digital scholarship -- a hugely important question with many possible answers...

2012-03-15, 16:04nealstimler (Neal Stimler)

RT @rogerwhitson: .@trevormunoz influential to put more data into the interface, so scholars could argue against our assumptions. #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:02knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@WendellPiez: markup in a computing context is a rhetorical performance #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:02karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@trevormunoz unchastened when Michael Sperberg McQueen begins by saying "You scare me." #kodm [fantastic presentation by Trevor]

2012-03-15, 16:01rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz we've become too confident that we are archiving and saving by being so independent. #kodm

2012-03-15, 16:00epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @rogerwhitson: .@trevormunoz is a great advocate for why TEI is important to teach to humanist majors. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:59knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@trevormunoz is directing us away from disembodied data models, points to the social and programming context #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:59rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz is a great advocate for why TEI is important to teach to humanist majors. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:58jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

MT @knoxdw: Really glad @trevormunoz is so wisely pulling many threads together from earlier conversation #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:56knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Really glad @trevormunoz is so wisely pulling many threads together from earlier conversation #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:55jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@trevormunoz calling for "richer sense of what it means to document the data model" includes the programs that run against the model. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:54rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz Working w/ TEI projects is good for coding customization. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:52radusuciu (Radu Suciu)

@trevormunoz speaks about the humanist approach to metadata #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:50rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz Encoding our interpretive assumptions into TEI, as a humanistic approach to coding, instead of clean code. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:50jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@trevormunoz pushing on earlier discussion of usefulness. Sometimes more interpretive markup creates space for argument/discussion #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:49rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz influential to put more data into the interface, so scholars could argue against our assumptions. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:49rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz usefulness as more people being able to use them. Scholars wanted markup to engage in conversation w/ other scholars. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:48jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@trevormunoz How do different data types sit next to each other.If you have images of a letter do you need a diplomatic transcription? #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:47epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @swanstro: #kodm Trevor Munoz asks how we can go from this http://t.co/amezHWVn to this http://t.co/4zL7HnWj :D

2012-03-15, 15:45karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Exactly! RT @lmrhody: Is [metaleptic markup] when one does metadata while on an elliptical? #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:45swanstro (elizabeth swanstrom)

#kodm Trevor Munoz asks how we can go from this http://t.co/amezHWVn to this http://t.co/4zL7HnWj :D

2012-03-15, 15:44knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@trevormunoz begins with quotation from @WendellPiez (2001) on metaleptic markup http://t.co/LGsZzSw4 #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:44karikraus (Kari Kraus)

@lmrhody There's a live feed! http://t.co/xmbHwNRJ #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:43rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

.@trevormunoz talking about the Shelley-Godwin archive and TEI. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:43lmrhody (Lisa Rhody)

@karikraus Is this when one does metadata while on an elliptical? #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:42radusuciu (Radu Suciu)

@trevormunoz speaks now at #kodm watching, listening & tweeting from Geneva. Great webcast!

2012-03-15, 15:42epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

@trevormunoz on metaleptic markup (from Wendell) #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:42jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@trevormunoz going to be discussing how we find our data models, using example of TEI customization. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:42lmrhody (Lisa Rhody)

RT @karikraus: .@trevormunoz up next on "discovering our models," responding to some of the conversation here at #kodm / Wish I could hear!

2012-03-15, 15:42karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Whoa--metaleptic markup. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:41rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

@jean_bauer Cool! He does tons of cool stuff. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:41karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@trevormunoz up next on "discovering our models," responding to some of the conversation here at #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:40jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@trevormunoz starting his talk "Discovering our Models" #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:38rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

Coexistence of RDF and TEI, how do they work together? Interesting problem. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:36knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.gradmans says RDF has built-in limitations, may be stuck with simple denotation, not good with ambiguity #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:35karikraus (Kari Kraus)

@gradmans suggests extension of RDF statements to cover relationships of interest to textual scholars (eg, scribe A copied scribed B) #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:27epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:26radusuciu (Radu Suciu)

RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:25trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:25karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@gradmans on RDF modeling: Where do resource aggregations start? Where do the end? And what constitutes document boundaries? #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:24trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:24knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@gradmans sees new questions in RDF: versioning, how to know what a node was linked to at a given time? #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:23trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@gradmans notes that modeling object representations in RDF raises questions like: where are the boundaries of resources #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:22triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

RT @jean_bauer: SNAC prototype has really clean design. Going to play with this later. http://t.co/9xlK72it #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:21mandellc (Laura Mandell)

@jean_bauer #kodm It's working in Texas. sorry for tweeting twice

2012-03-15, 15:20mandellc (Laura Mandell)

#kodm Jean, I'm seeing it -- Laura Mandell

2012-03-15, 15:17jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Are people still able to see the #kodm live feed? Heard from at least one person that it isn't working.

2012-03-15, 15:16trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The classes in the EDM model are deliberately simple (event, agent, place, physical thing, etc.) Meant to be top-level. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:15karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Gradmann: EDM (Europeana Data Model) an RDF-based model for making statements abt digital representations of cultural heritage objects #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:14MMOckerbloom (Mary Mark Ockerbloom)

RT @sleonchnm: SNAC is awesome. RT @jean_bauer: Link for SNAC project http://t.co/ifwJD5cy #kodm -- really cool stuff! #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:14julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

.@gradmans EDM can model "potentially conflicting" statements about digital representations of cultural heritage objects #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:14trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@gradmans: EDM is not an object model (like TEI) or a record model (like many metadata systems) #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:13trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Europeana Data Model (EDM) is "a model for making statements about digital representations of cultural heritage objects" @gradmans #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:11jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Stephan Gradmann now talking about the Europeana Data Model, abstract here http://t.co/qwoH6vsR #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:10karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Social network graph of Vannevar Bush #snac #kodm cc @jilltxt @digiwonk http://t.co/tSom2J8y

2012-03-15, 15:09trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Next at #kodm @gradmans will be speaking about the Europeana Data Model and what it might be possible to do with it

2012-03-15, 15:02jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Pitti on name authority "Keeping two names separate when you are in doubt is better than conflating them, which obscures information." #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:02karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@digiwonk @jilltxt Go to http://t.co/T5yX0fqf and click on "radial graph demo" in upper right corner; I'll also post a pic. #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:01sleonchnm (Sharon Leon)

SNAC is awesome. RT @jean_bauer: Link for SNAC project http://t.co/ifwJD5cy #kodm -- really cool stuff! #kodm

2012-03-15, 15:01swanstro (elizabeth swanstrom)

#kodm So happy to be at this amazing symposium/workshop this week in Providence: http://t.co/tVixRIa6 Amazing and inspiring projects...

2012-03-15, 15:00knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@schichmax asks a good question about the "long tail" of people in archival records, with little info and one or two connections #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:59swanstro (elizabeth swanstrom)

#kodm super cool project out of UVA called S.N.A.C. (Social Networks and Archival Contexts). Here's the prototype. http://t.co/N2axCFGM

2012-03-15, 14:56karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Love this social network graph for Vannavar Bush that Daniel Pitti ends his presentation with. #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:56knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Pitti: There are two degrees of separation from J. Robert Oppenheimer to Groucho Marx, through T. S. Eliot. #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:53knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

The SNAC prototype is at http://t.co/p0Qz7Qtz #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:47jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Pitti: EAD often records intellectual/conceptual links between individuals ex. 20th C. collector of Dante's works #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:43trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Pitti: Creating EAC-CPF records (http://t.co/wVBeWmvr) from EAD then comparing descriptions and trying to match & merge #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:43jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Link for SNAC project http://t.co/N1kt8apb #kodm -- really cool stuff! #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:42knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Pitti: SNAC extracts information on people from EAD, supplements with authority records, builds contextual information around people #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:42karikraus (Kari Kraus)

SNAC: provide integrative, unified access to archival resources. Data: authority records and 30,000 EAD-encoded finding aids #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:41trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The SNAC project is trying to separate out the embedded descriptions of people within existing archival descriptions #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:38karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Up next: SNAC: The social networks and archival contexts project, presented by Dan Pitti #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:37jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Daniel Pitti starting his talk "SNAC: The Social Networks and Archival Context" original abstract http://t.co/59MqdoM0 #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:08rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

If we encode cultural agreements, we can do more. XML separate form and content to make it more shareable. #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:07rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

Notion that temperature measurements are pre-theoretical doesn't hold up to Kuhn, let alone other Phil of Science. #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:04rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

If it's all theory, what can I do? Degree matters in a practical and social sense. Can we agree group of assumptions? #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:03rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

The less people put into a text, the more people can use it. Can't use interpretation as a club. #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:01rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

RT @NEH_ODH: Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/TFZjVbVN

2012-03-15, 14:01karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Syd Bauman raises the interesting issue of order as complement to units in data modeling [one example: respect des fonds in archives?] #kodm

2012-03-15, 14:01jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

And we just hit E.F. Codd #kodm (and it wasn't me)

2012-03-15, 14:00rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

Use the term data model as an attempt to make our assumptions explicit. Implicit assumptions also models. Unconscious models. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:58rogerwhitson (Roger Whitson)

Coming into the middle of a data modeling conversation can be confusing. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:56karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Models adhere in practices and procedures. ~@julia_flanders #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:51karikraus (Kari Kraus)

"The simpler I keep the model and the stupider the algorithm, the better the results" ~Syd Bauman paraphrases a CS researcher. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:48karikraus (Kari Kraus)

We are totally working over the concept of the "raw" at #kodm in the context of a discussion of modeling primitives. Good stuff.

2012-03-15, 13:45jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

It is interesting to watch participants edge up to abstractions (potentially modelable objects?) and then shy away almost immediately. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:43jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@karikraus "How do we carve artifacts and constructs at the joints to create those discreet units [of study/modeling]?" #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:38triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Same goes for live stream, #kodm.

2012-03-15, 13:35triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Communities with basic agreement on data units? None. Is there agreement about that characterization? No. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:22jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw Bringing up the politics of workflow, especially when scholars do their own modeling 'in the wild' and then it rots in attics #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:19jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

FotisJannidis"When we talk about raw data we are talking about the social construction of the basic units of our information(ex. book)"#kodm

2012-03-15, 13:19karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Opening discussion: something like a supposedly "raw" digitization of a page of a book already a model, already a social construction. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:16spellboundblog (Spellbound Blog)

MT @trevormunoz Day 2 of Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling Wkshp kicks off with some discussion. Livestream: http://t.co/QcF6LHOn #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:08karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@julia_flanders framing opening discussion: pragmatically driven modeling vs. exploratory; generalizable data vs. personal data. #kodm

2012-03-15, 13:03trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Day Two of the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Workshop will kick off with some discussion. Livestream: http://t.co/iWbh53BY #kodm

2012-03-15, 09:47DatabaseSMCTL (DB for His of Ideas)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-15, 08:46dhwales (DHWales)

RT @ttasovac: Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents. Graph-based architecture. #kodm http://t.co/gvPW3n4c

2012-03-15, 08:45dhwales (DHWales)

RT @gradmans: #kodm: Allen Renear on 'Oratio Obliqua' in the EDM. Much fun!

2012-03-15, 02:32trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

I've tossed up Day 1 tweets from the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop here: https://t.co/EZGkJP4o #kodm

2012-03-15, 02:08AllenRenear (Allen Renear)

@LibSkrat @julia_flanders using similarity to avoid abstraction is traditional and easier to understand,but causation more interesting.#kodm

2012-03-15, 02:06AllenRenear (Allen Renear)

@LibSkrat @julia_flanders my version of Svenonius set-based approach, subs similarity for causal history; &aligns hersets to FRBR sets #kodm

2012-03-15, 01:59AllenRenear (Allen Renear)

@LibSkrat @julia_flanders Ch3: "Bibliographic Entities" in _Intellectual Foundations of Information Organization_ (MIT 2000). #kodm

2012-03-14, 22:38julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

@LibSkrat yes, I can get it (it was a chapter reference in the Svenonius book that everyone cites, I think) @allenrenear can supply #kodm

2012-03-14, 22:35webol (Olivier Lavoisy)

RT @aurelberra: To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M

2012-03-14, 22:13LibSkrat (Ondatra libskoolicus)

@julia_flanders is there documentation on the Svenonius alternative to FRBR? #kodm

2012-03-14, 22:02rwness (Robin W. Ness)

RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!

2012-03-14, 21:32pmhswe (Patricia Hswe)

RT@jean_bauer: Next up, Gregor Middell "On the Value of Comparing Truly Re-Markable Texts" http://t.co/wHFkuNOk #kodm

2012-03-14, 21:31pmhswe (Patricia Hswe)

RT@ttasovac: Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents. Graph-based architecture. #kodm http://t.co/7ea0bNjW

2012-03-14, 21:13ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Excellent point: it's not enough just to be able to markup multiple hierarchies, you need validation, autocompletion etc. #kodm

2012-03-14, 21:09eric_edr (Eric D Rasmussen)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 20:59elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Gregor Middell last point-modeling texts like modeling in other domains, Must be aware of conceptual as well as computational aspects

2012-03-14, 20:57ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents. Graph-based architecture. #kodm http://t.co/gvPW3n4c

2012-03-14, 20:54elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Gregor Middell using graph database for collation. store relations and use color to identify different hierarchies

2012-03-14, 20:52lljohnston (Leslie Johnston)

RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!

2012-03-14, 20:46mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

RT @trevormunoz: .@karikraus suggests that humanists tend to resist the reductionism involved (implicit?) in data modeling #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:44ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

RT @elli_m: #kodm preservation of presence. Ippolito has questionnaire for new media artists-what features are important? http://t.co/E5KojhCs

2012-03-14, 20:44julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

cannot resist observing that Gregor Middell has beautiful slides! #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:43knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Gregor Middell talking about genetic edition of Goethe's Faust , and need for encoding distinct parallel perspectives #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:40jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Next up, Gregor Middell "On the Value of Comparing Truly Re-Markable Texts" http://t.co/waW6lCsf #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:39knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Jim Kuhn suggested "zip and hold" as more effective dig. preservation method than not preserving because intimidated by OAIS #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:39mickimcgee (Micki McGee)

Great watching #kodm on iPad from comfort of home on #springbreak. Thx @julia_flanders & frnds! Q&A for @karikraus is fascinating.

2012-03-14, 20:36knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!

2012-03-14, 20:35jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!

2012-03-14, 20:33KevinSHawkins (Kevin Hawkins)

RT @sgillies: I'd love to be sitting in on #kodm http://t.co/IDBXMI54

2012-03-14, 20:32knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Folger's Jim Kuhn asks if OAIS isn't an impossibly difficult conceptual model , "an impediment to getting required work done" ? #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:32rwness (Robin W. Ness)

Oais preserves contextual info to allow user to understand the work. articles about the games. surrogate documentation. @karikraus #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:31ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

@knoxdw @julia_flanders i'd say julia has psychic interpretative abilities. but i think we suspected that all along :) #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:29elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm preservation of presence. Ippolito has questionnaire for new media artists-what features are important? http://t.co/E5KojhCs

2012-03-14, 20:27rwness (Robin W. Ness)

how to capture and preserve the ephemeral? what are the features we are willing to sacrifice? #kodm @karikraus

2012-03-14, 20:24rwness (Robin W. Ness)

no duplicates in OAIS model . dup is not considered a variant but as it's own unique object. relationship is preserved #kodm #karikraus

2012-03-14, 20:18elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @karikraus concludes by discussing trust as tool for archiving. relates to authenticity - and may get around lack of fixity

2012-03-14, 20:15rwness (Robin W. Ness)

looking at a family tree of a digital game. Virtual world ancestry ? #kodm @karikraus

2012-03-14, 20:13ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

@knoxdw yes.. that's what preservation + access is about. but we need to be aware of the lost historicity, the lost "original" moment #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:13elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Jeremy John (British Library) 2010 white paper on personal digital archiving

2012-03-14, 20:11jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Representation Information (what you need to make your bitstream interpretable) can easily turn into an infinite regress #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:09knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

@ttasovac That's a great question. But what about replaying a game through emulation/migration? Or any kind of ritual practice? #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:08rwness (Robin W. Ness)

"fixity is death" - John Ippolito. #kodm @karikraus ....and "the straight line leads straight to hell "-Friendensreich Hundertwasser

2012-03-14, 20:08elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @karikraus introducing OAIS an abstract model for preservation.

2012-03-14, 20:04julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

.@karikraus interesting contrast btw archival and gamer ideas about authenticity: fixity (for trust) vs. evolvability (for survival) #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:04ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

You can't model immediacy & presence. Or can you? #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:04ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

An analogous problem: preserving performance art - something Marina Abramovic is into these days (in addition to sitting on chairs). #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:03ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

"Post-custodial model of game preservation" -- that's the key I think & the main challenge #kodm

2012-03-14, 20:01elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @karikraus There are also models that make the unseen visible. network flow, bandwidth usage

2012-03-14, 19:59knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@karikraus: problem of the relation of underlying code and expression in platform; similar to genotypic/phenotypic layers in genome #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:57jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@karikraus Preserving the game is about so much more than saving the source code, also we don't usually don't have the source code. #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:57rwness (Robin W. Ness)

migration, emulation, re-enactment - strategies in preserving digital games @karikraus #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:54jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@karikraus on fascinating interplay between preservation of games and pirating. Use a lot of the same technology: emulators, etc. #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:52julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

.@karikraus preservation activities often take advantage of gamer or pirate tools (e.g. for grabbing/archiving game components) #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:50SimonTanner (Simon Tanner)

RT @trevormunoz: Afternoon session at #kodm underway. 1st presentation by Paul Caton of @kingsdh http://t.co/toQHrWuV

2012-03-14, 19:50ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

The proof is clearly in the non-textual pudding after all. #kodm http://t.co/EkyPxOZk

2012-03-14, 19:49knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@karikraus talking about obstacles to preservation of virtual worlds: hardware & software dependencies, obsolescence , IP law #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:49trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@karikraus : In preserving computer games it's hard to identify boundary of objects being preserved. Lots of software dependencies #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:48jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@karikraus Starting talk on "Perserving Digital Worlds" http://t.co/pb11h4BX preserving digital games and interactive fiction. #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:41rwness (Robin W. Ness)

stay tuned for "preserving virtual worlds...because a thing of beauty now is a joy forever'" @karikraus #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:32Ted_Underwood (Ted Underwood)

the range of interests researchers will have in the future. So I would just put in a word for minimalism as a default strategy. #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:31Ted_Underwood (Ted Underwood)

I know some ontology is inevitable. But I don't believe we can design one that encompasses the variable past, or anticipates #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:17julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

thomas stäcker: FRBR works, and it's wrong: what does this mean for data modeling? #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:15julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

…there's a lot of richness here that I'd like us to get even more eyes and brains on. Stay tuned (April?) for the postworkshop archive #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:14julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

as I try taking notes, tweeting key points, reflecting on these presentations, I think it's good that we're posting these materials... #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:12knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Chris Meister challenges Renear on intentionality: the problem seems to be time & identity, not intentionality #kodm // I tend to agree

2012-03-14, 19:11gradmans (Stefan Gradmann)

#kodm: Allen Renear on 'Oratio Obliqua' in the EDM. Much fun!

2012-03-14, 19:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@AllanRenear the problem isn't technological. The problem is that we have not worked out the semantics for we want to express. #kodm

2012-03-14, 19:05knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

The emerging #kodm productive problem seems to be metamodeling (as opposed to fixing existing best practices, for example)

2012-03-14, 19:00karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear's refactored FRBR model replaces "work" entity type with "stories" #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:57knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Renear: We do not have a robust account of identity and change in the digital world #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:56knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Renear's challenge: adapt methods based on first-order logic to problems that go beyond logic #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:54julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

…and that's what's distinctive about humanities data modeling #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:54julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

@allenerenear when we model humanities data, we're modeling entities that only exist in virtue of intentionality-laden social activity #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:53jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@allanrenear What is distinctive about data modeling the humanities? INTENTIONALITY. The things we model would not exist otherwise #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:53knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Renear: what is distinctive about the humanities: things we model exist because of intentionality, grounded in social context #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:52knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Renear refactors FRBR to change entities to roles: story realized through symbol structure, embodied in another symbol structure... #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:43jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@allanrenear How do you model reporting on someone else's assertion without asserting it yourself? Adding another tuple doesn't do it #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:41karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear profusely proclaims his love for all models :-) #kodm; love what his background in analytical philosophy brings to discussion.

2012-03-14, 18:39knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Renear: how can a byte stream have a modification date without being a different stream? #kodm #heraclitus?

2012-03-14, 18:38Musebrarian (Richard Urban)

great tweets coming from Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities #kodm today. http://t.co/VSjaFZ7p

2012-03-14, 18:38I_UMD (Maryland's iSchool)

RT @trevormunoz: Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously" http://t.co/lJCB99lp

2012-03-14, 18:38james3neal (James Neal)

RT @trevormunoz: Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously" http://t.co/EDybwIFM

2012-03-14, 18:37karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear is fascinated by obscure alternative models to FRBR; looking at them helps us see other ways of modeling the world. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:37sgillies (Sean Gillies)

I'd love to be sitting in on #kodm http://t.co/IDBXMI54

2012-03-14, 18:37julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

does FRBR let us say that some manifestations are arguably manifestations of more than one work? seems like Svenonius alternative does #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:34knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Elaine Svenonius offers an alternative to FRBR, grounded in concrete docs rather than abstractions first http://t.co/5n4DEOik #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:31jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@AllanRenear points out that FRBR doesn't actually model inheritance, although people talk about it as if it did. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:31karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear: There is no inheritance in FRBR despite what the authors of the model say. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:30knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@allenrenear sees FRBR problem: where is inheritance if attributes are disjoint? (only work has subject, manifestation has typeface) #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:29karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Fascinating: @AllenRenear argues that FRBR model (work, expression, manifestation, item) eliminates the ordinary book from our world. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:26julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

@anarchivist it'll be available on the web afterwards as well… I hope many will be going back over it as well #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:26triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

@anarchivist 2 more days to catch the fever, though. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:23anarchivist (Mark Matienzo)

Kind of bummed that I didn't know about #kodm sooner and that I'm toiling away in the XSL:FO mines this afternoon.

2012-03-14, 18:22karikraus (Kari Kraus)

.@AllenRenear taking up inheritance in FRBR (Functional Requirements for Bibliographic Records). #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:21jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

And of course all my earlier tweets referred to Paul Caton. Must still be stuck in 18th Century Political Theory . . . Sorry! #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:18laurentromary (Laurent Romary)

RT @ttasovac: In fact, all texts are psychotic - secondary to experience, they necessarily involve a loss of contact with reality. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:17jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@allenrenear about to start talk "Taking Modeling Seriously" #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:17trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously" http://t.co/2szCRAuH

2012-03-14, 18:16ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

In fact, all texts are psychotic - secondary to experience, they necessarily involve a loss of contact with reality. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:14julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

question, though, of how to apply data mining in cases where the creation of the data itself is at issue (it seems to me) #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:14julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

elke teich suggests a bottom-up solution to paulcaton's ontological problem? use data mining to look at phenomena, then derive profile #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:08epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @julia_flanders: paul caton: It's hard to do "just a little" data modeling #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:07mkimarnold (Mary-Kim Arnold)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 18:04trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Caton: Fundamental ontology is like weird Dr Who ep. — everything is white & voice asks "Why is there something rather than nothing" #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:03jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Paul Canton on thee possible answers to this problem: Scientific Ontology, Set Theory, and Wittgenstein. #kodm

2012-03-14, 18:01brettbobley (Brett Bobley)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 18:00GretaFranzini (Greta Franzini)

RT @epierazzo: DH builds Digital Surrogates of ancient docs. Perhaps better: models of ancients docs! #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:56jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Paul Canton talking about Digipal http://t.co/eKmNR9Gu and issues of modeling medieval handwriting. #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:55julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

paul caton: It's hard to do "just a little" data modeling #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:54trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Caton: "It's hard to do 'a little' data modeling." Discussing his trouble w/modelling "events" for Cambridge ed. of Jonson #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:54jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Paul Canton reflecting on the question "What is an event?" End result: "It is hard to do a little data modeling." #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:46julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

@Ted_Underwood yes, video will be archived and available (plus slides, etc.) #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:45julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

This may come out in the case studies, to some extent MT @sgillies: No, don't explain how [hum. data is different]. Show me how ;) #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:43trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Caton in paper from DH2010: Text tends to be a floating signifier in DH. Pulled down & slapped on things. Needs ontological work #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:41trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Afternoon session at #kodm underway. 1st presentation by Paul Caton of @kingsdh http://t.co/toQHrWuV

2012-03-14, 17:37knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

@Ted_Underwood @sramsay spoke as one member of a panel, and he'll give a talk Friday afternoon http://t.co/lMpNjEOh #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:35jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Twitter handles now on People page for #kodm http://t.co/CNlSfsAF

2012-03-14, 17:19Ted_Underwood (Ted Underwood)

P*ssed that I had to teach during @sramsay 's talk. Trust this will all be archived somewhere, though. #kodm

2012-03-14, 17:16RyanD (Ryan Donahue)

RT @nealstimler: MT @trevormunoz Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always has to deal with a multiplicity of opinion #kodm Cc: @donundeen

2012-03-14, 17:15nealstimler (Neal Stimler)

MT @trevormunoz Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always has to deal with a multiplicity of opinion #kodm Cc: @donundeen

2012-03-14, 16:49nettys (Angharad)

RT @elli_m: #kodm introducing data models in the humanities leads to new and interesting collaborations with other disciplines: bio, physics @schichmax

2012-03-14, 16:49nettys (Angharad)

RT @elli_m: RT @sgillies: I hear people say humanities data is different. Is it? Show how it is different. #kodm @datasymposium

2012-03-14, 16:45nettys (Angharad)

RT @ttasovac: Let's not turn Digital Humanities into Digital Post-Humanities. #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:30triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Unable to follow either #kodm or #NERCOMP12 as much as I'd like to. Tasks intervene.

2012-03-14, 16:28annettestr (Annette Strauch)

@gradmans sehr hilfreich fuer mich!#kodm #notallxml

2012-03-14, 16:27annettestr (Annette Strauch)

RT @gradmans: Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities - is it all just XML? More at #kodm and at the livestream at http://t.co/a2yfeg95

2012-03-14, 16:27gradmans (Stefan Gradmann)

Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities - is it all just XML? More at #kodm and at the livestream at http://t.co/a2yfeg95

2012-03-14, 16:23retius (Tad Suiter)

RT @mandellc: watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING. Tune in: http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo

2012-03-14, 16:22trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

MT @sgillies: No, don't explain how [humanities data is different]. Show me how ;) #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:22knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

For @sramsay, the issue is that XML's data definition language and data manipulation language are too separate #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:21footnotesrising (Susan Garfinkel)

RT @mandellc: watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING. Tune in: http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo

2012-03-14, 16:18elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @hcayless @sgillies @paleofuturist the existence of Pleiades may be an example of the difference.

2012-03-14, 16:17trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay notes that XML ecosystem doesn't look like a lot of the other data modeling systems out there: SQL, GIS, Image processing #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:16jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@sramsay "I hope that we are not just here to talk about XML. I hope that we will talk about GIS, databases, R, and other things." #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:14jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

And now we get the "What about modeling non-textual data"? #kodm

2012-03-14, 16:08mandellc (Laura Mandell)

watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING. Tune in: http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo

2012-03-14, 16:00ryanfb (Ryan Baumann)

@ttasovac That wasn't what I got from that at all - relating DH to existing sciences doesn't mean you can predict outputs #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:59jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@sramsay reminding us that "Traditional Humanities" (based on interpretation) is actually the new humanities. Data modeling is older. #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:58knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@sramsay points out that the sciences came from the humanities, and the humanities looked like data modeling for centuries #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:52knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@julia_flanders observing that our discussion has implicitly been about the identity politics of separating the humanities #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:48ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Let's not turn Digital Humanities into Digital Post-Humanities. #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:47fredsiegmund (fred siegmund)

Fotis: what distinguishes DH handling of data and the natural sciences is how DHers construct the relationship btw data and phenomena #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:47ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Statistics & experimental design is important, but being able to predict humanities outputs will spell the end of the humanities #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:41elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @andyashton humanities data created for the scholar's interaction, results data that is hard to use.

2012-03-14, 15:41trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@andyashton urging group to think about functional qualities of data. In many ways, humanities not functional in networked systems #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:41elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm we use data to explore the meaning behind the humanities data Jannidis.

2012-03-14, 15:39jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

#kodm Twitter handle list up on the web at http://t.co/LiBTeUGg Just a hack until someone can approve my comment on the wordpress page

2012-03-14, 15:36trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

@hcayless @sgillies Christoph Meister is adding a point about the 'historicity' of humanities data #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:36elli_m (elli_m)

RT @sgillies: I hear people say humanities data is different. Is it? Show how it is different. #kodm @datasymposium

2012-03-14, 15:35knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@sgillies Jan Christoph Meister is saying humanities data always refers back to us indexically as the receiving subject #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:34hcayless (Hugh Cayless)

@sgillies that said, I think there's less difference than a lot of people would like to imagine #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:33hcayless (Hugh Cayless)

@sgillies There's less of it, it's vague, heterogenous, and it can be hard to distinguish data from opinion. #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:29fredsiegmund (fred siegmund)

@sramsay reductionism is a meaningless term...we cannot avoid selection/choice/limits #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:29epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

.@sramsay we can't avoid selection, we can't avoid constraints: but are this surrogate useful for advancing scholarship? #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:28trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay Cannot avoid constraint. Interesting question is whether our reductions, our distortions (our data models) are interesting #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:27elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm @andyashton what about networks and relationships as data

2012-03-14, 15:26fredsiegmund (fred siegmund)

@andyashton we need to explore networks and relationships as data #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:22epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

RT @trevormunoz: .@WendellPiez quoting @louBurnard from years ago : 'They don't understand. Text is not data. Data is all text' #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:21elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Meister: How do data/phenomena/models differ? Humanists valorize interpretation, scientists know it and work with it.

2012-03-14, 15:21fredsiegmund (fred siegmund)

hmmm...is data a type of text? #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:20trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez quoting @louBurnard from years ago : 'They don't understand. Text is not data. Data is all text' #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:17elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm introducing data models in the humanities leads to new and interesting collaborations with other disciplines: bio, physics @schichmax

2012-03-14, 15:12jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

#kodm Just posted twitter handles for participants as a comment on the people page. Please add to the list! http://t.co/Xd81upEV

2012-03-14, 15:11trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always has to deal with a multiplicity of opinion (not present in say, tax records) #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:10epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

DH builds Digital Surrogates of ancient docs. Perhaps better: models of ancients docs! #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:10trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@karikraus suggests that humanists tend to resist the reductionism involved (implicit?) in data modeling #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:09elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm Q. surrogates are reductive. Humanists rebel.

2012-03-14, 15:09ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Laurent: "data modeling as a tension between standardization and scholarly freedom" #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:08epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Desmond: digital documents embed the technology they have been built in. Surely this is true also for Manuscripts and books? #kodm

2012-03-14, 15:04trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Getting underway again at #kodm with a panel discussion aimed at setting an agenda of questions to tackle for the next few days

2012-03-14, 14:59MedicalHeritage (MedHeritageLibrary)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 14:59dighum_berlin (Markus Schnoepf)

livestream from the coffebreak is most interesting. http://t.co/QdeH0NFJ #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:41christof77 (Christof Schöch)

RT @aurelberra: To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M

2012-03-14, 14:32knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

@jean_bauer @trevormunoz that helps explain Piez's wish for comp. sci. help: speculating about programming primitives for range data? #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:31aurelberra (Aurélien Berra)

To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M

2012-03-14, 14:31jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez "the design of the interface is a separate question, and it isn't" #kodm Agree!We often model things based on how we 'see' them

2012-03-14, 14:28trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay The issue seems to be about how much you want to model "at a single glance" #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:28jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@sramsay The problem of overlapping hierarchies is written all the way down the computational stack. #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:27trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@sramsay notes overlapping hierarchy may not be central problem but it's stubborn because extends far "down the computational stack" #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:24knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

comment by Fotis Jannidis suggests 3 levels: text instances, schemas (classes of instances), meta-meta-models (XML, etc.) #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:21fredsiegmund (fred siegmund)

watching @datasymposium at http://t.co/qmX0nBz3 #kodm #thiscountsaswork

2012-03-14, 14:16adelinekoh (Adeline Koh)

RT @karikraus: Love this: @wendellpiez quotes @trevormunoz on markup: "Every TEI project is a TEI customization project" #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:12trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez Schema can act as a codification of the heuristic process. An output that describes what you've discovered about data #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:12karikraus (Kari Kraus)

#kodm attendee suggests 2 kinds of data models: representational modeling & heuristic modeling (acquiring knowledge abt that which we model)

2012-03-14, 14:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Question on difference between Representational Modeling and Heuristic Modeling. Schemas may be more important in the 1st than 2nd #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:10trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Question comes back around: Are we modeling using data (this seems to be all modeling thus nonsensical) or are we modeling data? #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:07knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

In discussion, Piez talks more about the aesthetics of design (e.g. why LMNL annotations can be recursive documents) #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:06raffazizzi (Raffaele Viglianti)

RT @epierazzo: Schema re more than validation and configuration: they are data modelling tools! #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:04archivesnext (Kate Theimer)

RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 14:04NEH_ODH (NEH Dig Humanities)

Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6

2012-03-14, 14:02vnncctt (Vincent Dubay)

Hands dirty? I sure do. Fishing through rotting book spines and whiffing in moldy varnish can be some grubby work. #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:02karikraus (Kari Kraus)

RT @trevormunoz: .@WendellPiez "We work with models of our models" #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:02trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez "We work with models of our models" #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:02karikraus (Kari Kraus)

More info on LMNL, the experimental markup language discussed by @wendellpiez: http://t.co/Brm5bh1t #kodm

2012-03-14, 14:01trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@julia_flanders asks whether all the stages in the pipeline shown are all different stages of same model or are they different models #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:56elli_m (elli_m)

#kodm "Scholars work with people who get their hands dirty, get their own hands dirty in the process. seems to be part of analysis/modeling"

2012-03-14, 13:56jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

RT @trevormunoz: Any questions/comments from the virtual audience? Tweet at #kodm or email to datasymposium@gmail.com

2012-03-14, 13:56trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Any questions/comments from the virtual audience? Tweet at #kodm or email to datasymposium@gmail.com

2012-03-14, 13:55jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@knoxdw Yes, raises interesting (sometimes troubling) questions on who builds these systems, and how they relate to the final product. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:55trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez asks: "Do scholars get their hands dirty?" (With image of printer's shop on the screen). No one right answer of course #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:53knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

PIez's question "Do scholars get their hands dirty?" seems to go back to early questions about what end users don't see #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:53GretaFranzini (Greta Franzini)

Watching @datasymposium in live streaming today http://t.co/fdaiIBMC #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:52karikraus (Kari Kraus)

Love this: @wendellpiez quotes @trevormunoz on markup: "Every TEI project is a TEI customization project" #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:52trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

In the humanities, systems won't only be focused on end-product (producing text in multi. formats) but on describing obj under study #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:51knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Piez quotes @trevormunoz: "Every TEI project is a TEI customization project" #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:49epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Schema re more than validation and configuration: they are data modelling tools! #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:49knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Piez speculates about what could be done with schemas for range models; sees room to build on XML as a platform #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:46knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@WendellPiez would welcome help from computer scientists in developing ways of working with range models like LMNL #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:42jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Really feeling the constraints of 140 characters this morning #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:41jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez work with LMNL forcing him out of the XML space to find new possibilities and then returning with those new possibilities #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:41trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Piez: Technology-level data model (LMNL) allows building new higher-level data model of texts, exposing e.g. narrative structure #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:39trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez the alternate data model of LMNL opens up new ways of investigating texts (in this example Mary Shelley's Frankenstein) #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:39jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Can pull XML out of LMNL #kodm @WendellPiez

2012-03-14, 13:39jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

SVG Visualization based on LMNL structural tagging showing poems, overlaid with semantically rich circles indicating verse structure #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:37UMD_MITH (UMD_MITH)

MITH Assoc Dir @trevormunoz currently attending data modeling workshop at Brown U. Follow the conversation #kodm http://t.co/W2gx9Kt8

2012-03-14, 13:35thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

The expansion to 'liminal' is a nice touch. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:35karikraus (Kari Kraus)

I'm listening to @wendellpiez deliver the opening keynote for the data modeling workshop at Brown U. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:33thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Nice SVG (zoomable!) visualisation of LMNL-marked up text. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:33ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

What is the advantage of using LMNL as a range-model over multiple standoff annotations of one text in XML? #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:31trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The demo that @WendellPiez is showing uses XSLT pipelines to progressively process the LMNL markup. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:31knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

In LMNL, an annotation can have the same structure as any document (equivalent to putting a document in an XML attribute) #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:31thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Overview of LMNL, a markup language but supporting markup overlap unlike XML. #kodm http://t.co/ep8VpiyJ

2012-03-14, 13:30jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez in LMNL annotations can be marked up and can have metadata inside it. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:30mdalmau (Michelle Dalmau)

Tuning in as I am able to Data modeling in the Humanities over the next few days #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:29trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez now discussing LMNL, an experimental markup language with different affordances from XML. Particularly handling overlap #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:28jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez "Can we conceive a viable markup regime with advantages of plain text, but without XMLs early commitment to hierarchy?" #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:26trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

@knoxdw @wendellpiez What users won't think about tied to intellectual ends a project is aiming at. A kind of zooming in & out here #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:25trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

@knoxdw @wendellpiez Yes and deciding what "users won't need to think about" can vary project-by-project w/ostensibly similar data + #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:24jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez more or less direct relationship between constraints and costs of a data model and the analytic power of that model. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:24thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Interesting/useful hierarchy of costs/complexity in data-modelling technologies. Will these slides be available online? #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:23triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Good to shield uninterested users from details of data model, but interested users should have ability to play with it. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:23jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Need a set of ground rules that users don't have to think about. People can look this up, but not necessary @WendellPiez #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:22knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@WendellPiez: part of design in data modeling is thinking about what end users presumably won't need to think about #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:21epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Wendell: we don't think abut letters of alphabet when we read a page. Don't know about that #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:21thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Reflexivity problem: in the humanities, we are frequently using text to model text. The result is a 'descriptive layers' problem. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:19triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Do data models hurt as much as LEGOs when you step on them with bare feet in the middle of the night? #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:18epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

Wendell Piez: text can be defined as an encoding technology #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:17knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@WendellPiez: modeling can include rules for assembly; also bricolage, inventive use things intended for another purpose #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:17thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Humanities data-modelling described as frequently a 'bricolage' of disparate elements. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:16perrycollins (Perry Collins)

Appreciative of livestream allowing me to watch @WendellPiez keynote and other sessions at this week's symposium. http://t.co/zjLFVoVe #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:16trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

RT @triplingual: As with LEGOs, data models may (try to) convey restrictions as well as possibilities. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:16trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

This fist example from @WendellPiez talk is using a lego set for making a model of the Brandenburg Gate #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:16jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Loving @WendellPiez's example of data modeling using a Lego Set for Brandenburg Gate model as individual legos AND instructions. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:15NU_CSCDC (NU_CSCDC)

Following today: live webcast of #kodm in the Humanities http://t.co/CkHG6VKD and JISC report on value of data mining http://t.co/xbToHwDc

2012-03-14, 13:15trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez : when talking about models talking about technologies (pieces that fit together) & things we build out of those pieces #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:15triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

As with LEGOs, data models may (try to) convey restrictions as well as possibilities. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:15knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

.@WendellPiez Lego model of Brandenburg Gate: the model as the Gate, or as the pieces so that someone else can build the Gate #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:14jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

#kodm @WendellPiez When we talk about models we are talking about several things, a technology that allows us to build and what we build.

2012-03-14, 13:13jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez schemas push us into thinking about "what we do next"? #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:12thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Markup as a central - or at least useful - humanities data-modelling tool. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:11ttasovac (Toma Tasovac)

Recognizing many people in the audience from the back of their heads. Seems like nobody I know decided to wear a wig. That's a pity. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:11trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

.@WendellPiez three questions: What do we mean by 'data model'? What about markup? What about schemas?#kodm

2012-03-14, 13:10jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez's 3 Questions: "What do we mean by data modeling?" "What about markup?" "What about schemas" #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:10thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

*Pragmatic* emphasis from the start: application and experimentation in data-modelling crucial. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:08jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@WendellPiez beginning keynote for #kodm "Data Modeling the Humanities: Three Questions and One Experiment"

2012-03-14, 13:08knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Symposium will have short presentations & much discussion, later a white paper #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:08RoxanneShirazi (Roxanne Shirazi)

RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:08trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

Wendell Piez is beginning his keynote at #kodm "Data Modeling in the Humanities: Three Questions and One Experiment"

2012-03-14, 13:08triplingual (Trip Kirkpatrick)

Now at #kodm : Wendell Piez keynote on “Data Modeling for the Humanities: Three Questions and One Experiment” http://t.co/e8sBvJro

2012-03-14, 13:07jtheibault (John Theibault)

RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/fSE2Llye Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:06jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:05jtheibault (John Theibault)

Oh Good. RT @jean_bauer: Will be tweeting Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop. http://t.co/gWiY46iy #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:05jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

@julia_flanders reminding us that the conference is being streamed live and that questions are welcome via twitter and email #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:04thillzilla (Timothy Hill)

Hi! #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:02jgsmith (James Smith)

RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:02jean_bauer (Jean Bauer)

Will be tweeting the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop for the next 3 days. http://t.co/HjXuHzdl #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:01archivesnext (Kate Theimer)

RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:01archivesnext (Kate Theimer)

RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm

2012-03-14, 13:00knoxdw (Douglas Knox)

RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm

2012-03-14, 12:50trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm

2012-03-14, 12:48trevormunoz (Trevor Munoz)

The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm

2012-03-14, 09:51pauljcripps (pauljcripps)

This looks really good: Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities. Wish I could be there http://t.co/JIaFEgX0 #kodm

2012-03-14, 02:49CLKCrompton (Constance Crompton)

The time difference is working in my favour. Brown's Data Modeling in the Humanities webcast'll be up first thing http://t.co/Qb0ecMWL #kodm

2012-03-13, 21:11CDHTrier (CDHTrier)

@polito66 @ClaudineMoulin yes, you're so right #kodm

2012-03-13, 18:51karikraus (Kari Kraus)

I'm at Brown for the data modeling workshop starting tomorrow; please participate using the hashtag #kodm; more info: http://t.co/LrUnKhEX

2012-03-13, 16:44Marie_LSJ (Marie Léger-St-Jean)

Just realized my database structure doesn't allow me to ascribe different translators to different translations... #kodm #majorfail =(

2012-03-13, 09:41epierazzo (Elena Pierazzo)

.@raffazizzi: @datasymposium wil be using #kodm everybody is invited to participate to the event "virtually", so fee free to make questions

2012-03-13, 05:51laurentromary (Laurent Romary)

Data modeling in the Humanities: giving a digital microscope to scholars. On my way to #kodm

2012-03-13, 04:21brownwwp (Brown WWP)

Participate in @datasymposium by watching live stream of the event at http://t.co/Pa3EEO4q and join the conversation via twitter using #kodm

2012-03-13, 01:36julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

Post comments/questions to datasymposium@gmail.com or via twitter; we'll be watching for them #kodm

2012-03-13, 01:35julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

Virtual participation welcome! smallInvitationalEvent concept limited only to physical bodies: virtual bodies in unlimited numbers... #kodm

2012-03-13, 01:34katkingumd (Katie King)

RT @julia_flanders: Also NB live stream of Knowledge Organization workshop (Wed-Fri this week): http://t.co/Jig7q3BL #kodm

2012-03-13, 01:33julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

Also NB live stream of Knowledge Organization workshop (Wed-Fri this week): http://t.co/Jig7q3BL #kodm

2012-03-13, 01:32julia_flanders (Julia Flanders)

Gearing up for Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities, this Wed-Fri at Brown. Follow/comment @datasymposium and #kodm!